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Two gay married men explain what it actually looks like to stay connected to the Mormon faith.
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In this episode
- How Charlie and Ryan balance gay identity with Mormon identity day to day
- What has changed in their relationship with the church since Charlie's 2020 interview
- How their marriage has opened real conversations with church members
- Why they chose to stay engaged with a faith that has not fully accepted them
About this episode
If there were a competition for the most difficult to manage space as a queer person, the Mormon church would definitely be a contender. But that hasn’t stopped our guests today from fighting for a world where their faith and relationship can coexist.Today on PRIDE, we’re sitting down with Charlie Bird and Ryan Clifford to explore their complex and ever-changing relationship with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Charlie shared the beginning of his story with us back in 2020 and now just a few years later, he’s back and he’s married!
Together, Charlie and Ryan tell us about how they balance their Mormon identities with their identities as gay men, how their love story has helped foster meaningful conversations with church members, and their recent viral video series honoring the iconic album covers of Taylor Swift.
Follow Charlie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrcharliebirdFollow Ryan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itsryancliffordLearn more about Charlie’s books: https://mrcharliebird.com/
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